Hampshire Cricket History


It’s Frustrating!
May 27, 2016, 4:27 pm
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I really want him to do well. Lovely guy, beautiful batsman but …

In 2015 he got back into Division One where he has since played 35 Championship innings (not including any other first-class games, just for Hampshire)

In 20% of those innings, he has passed 50 and in 6% he has passed 100 (ie twice)

Here’s a comparison with Hampshire’s great batsmen, the ones of international class who played regularly for the county (so not that other bloke). The stats here are just in matches for Hampshire

Centuries: Mead 12%, Richards 11%, Greenidge 10%, Robin Smith 10%, Marshall 7%

Over 50: Richards 38%, Mead 32%, Greenidge 31%, Smith 26%, Marshall 25%

In fairness, I’m not comparing like-with-like above. At the start of 2016 James Vince in all first-class Hampshire matches had played 166 innings with 16 centuries (10%) and 41 over 50 (25%) but he has played a lot of Div Two cricket, all on covered pitches over four days not three, and when batsmen are overall averaging higher scores than they did back in the post-war decades (although towards the end of his career Greenidge batted on covered pitches).

The worry is that people already know how to get him out and Test bowlers are good enough to do that regularly, as they have done in his first two innings.

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And of course in the modern county game he’s hardly ever scoring runs against the best Test bowlers, unlike those other men

Comment by pompeypop

Maybe international batsmen aren’t as good as they used to be. One thing he’ll have to adapt otherwise his Test career will be over soonish.

Comment by Paul

I think Root is as good as pretty well anyone, although interestingly he’s stopped getting the really big scores. Cook is solid, excellent temperament but I’m not sure there are any other English batsmen who are really top quality. At county level English batsmen generally play on the easiest surfaces they ever have and they so rarely face top quality attacks as they did in the past. Consider for example, the bowlers someone like Gower faced when learning to play on uncovered pitches in the Championship. Also – maybe crucially – we now have the first generation who have played T20 throughout their careers.

Comment by pompeypop

I’m not entirely sure the bowlers have got him out in either of his Test innings. More a case of him getting himself out as unfortunately is often the way with James.

Comment by James

Bit of both really, James. As long as bowlers know he’ll play those rash shots, they’ll continue feeding them to him. Getting himself out in a way that bowlers have come to expect of him.

Comment by Ageas

I think Robin S was one of the few to have a Test average above his first class average.

Not sure that’s going to happen with JV (unless it’s with the ball!).

Comment by Jeremy

All seems a bit harsh on him. If I was starting my test career, I would not want to be compared to Richards, Mead or Greenidge (or even Michael Vauhan). I doubt JV will approach their records. At the moment, better Hampshire comparisons would be Roy Marshall (also easy for opposition to get out – except when they didn’t), Trevor Jesty or Paul Terry – all of whom were on the edge of test selection but did not fully break through for various reasons. Let James have about seven tests (as seems to be par for Enland nowadays) and then look at how he has done.

Comment by Dave Pople

Perfectly fair comment Dave. I probably am harsh but I don’t want him to end his career with two Tests like Paul Terry or none like Trevor Jesty ( an injustice). My comparisons are because I’d like him to be (almost?) that good, playing 50 or more Tests with lots of success, like Greenidge, Smith erc. I think he’s potentially that good.

Comment by pompeypop

Oh dear, now the poor bloke has dropped a catch 😉

But nobody seems too upset!

Comment by Jeremy




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