Hampshire Cricket History


Thursday 22 June
June 22, 2017, 2:06 pm
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Some people are leaving the pitch. They think it’s all over

It is now.

Nothing now, until Monday’s floodlit extravaganza, but space here to add your thoughts or start new threads etc.

I’ll be back

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Current averages at

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/county-championship-division-one/averages

Abbott is magnificent and Berg very good.

Comment by pompeypop

The performances this season from the frontline experienced batters have been poor in the extreme, each of their averages only redeemed by one three-figure innings. Roussow particularly must surely give way to Alsop. Carberry with all his experience is a particular disappointment.

Comment by Peter Jeffs

I’m loathe to criticise Carberry (not that Peter is) given all he has been through in the last year but after his wonderful start I’m wondering if it is all catching up on him and if he perhaps wouldn’t benefit from a rest.

Comment by James

I agree with James…….it is disappointing that Carbs hasn’t found some form but the mere fact he is playing at all is a victory in itself.

Comment by joster69

Double challenge looming. Two more Championship games (Somerset & Surrey) then all the short stuff. I assume that Rossouw is a certainty in that, maybe Topley, maybe Wood. But for the next two 4-day games, the comments of Craig White suggest changes in the Championship (Alsop? Wheal? Smith?). They might revert to Dawson at the top of the order but he’s yet to reach 40 in the Championship … By-and-large Peter is right; they’ve mostly all got one big score and little else – Sean Ervine for example, well over 50% of his season’s runs in one of 11 completed innings.

Comment by pompeypop

For the third consecutive week, the Cricket Paper has today published a letter about Hampshire’s preference to sign players from overseas/Kolpak/other counties etc. In week one a Yorkie was critical, in week two a Hampshire-supporting Lancastrian defended Hampshire, this week an Essex supporter compares Hampshire unfavourably with his county’s development approach. Even though I no longer have opinions, it’s no secret where I stood on this issue, but I’m wondering whether anyone from Hampshire will comment?

Comment by pompeypop

The ultimate rhetorical question Dave!

Looking forward to the latest comments about Beefy’s though.

Comment by James

A friend sent me these figures for hampshire upper order in this seasons cc
58/5
176/3
113/3
157/3
34/7
50/5
31/3
26/4
38/3

How can we win games with starts like that. Apart from the 2nd and 4th above it is unacceptable and players need to be dropped or coaches sacked!

Comment by Ron Griffiths

Thanks Ron. Craig White is suggesting this week they can’t (or haven’t ) play(ed) the moving ball well. That looks right from those figures, doesn’t it? It’s possible that Rossouw has not yet learned to do that (there’s obviously some talent there somewhere) but the English county players are rather different aren’t they?

Comment by pompeypop

Yes I saw Craig White’s quote earlier in the week. What he actually said was “However, it seems that whenever the ball swings or seams, we get into a bit of trouble”.

So we can’t play a swinging or seaming ball. Didn’t that used to be called batting?

Comment by James

All you get from the White Bros is drivel….
It is just a blip….lets move on….etc…etc…
Both should go…imho…

Comment by John Cottrell

News from Mike Vimpany’s excellent site is that we are set to release Jake Goodwin, Josh McCoy and Ben Duggan from their scholarship contracts:
http://www.vimpsatthecrease.com/latest-news/hampshire-release-three-scholarship-youngsters

Comment by James

Thanks for that James. Ah well there goes another Pompey kid onto the scrapheap (McCoy) – still there will no doubt be another South African along soon to take his place – and the other two.

I apologise for the expression of an opinion here and I promise to revert to silence, but this just leaves me dismayed*. Maybe, just maybe, the failure to take these promising local youngsters and turn them into cricketers (like Briggs, Bates, Terry, Prittipaul, Kenway, Benham etc before them) lies in the teachers as much as the pupils?

Still it’s another confirmation that my sense of not caring any longer is entirely appropriate.

*AKA very pissed off.

Comment by pompeypop

Difficult to say if the problem is with the teachers or the pupils but in the case of those you mentioned perhaps it is more the latter as they mostly all broke into the first team and had some early success but simply weren’t able to maintain or build on it.

Although having said that you could say that at times not showing sufficient confidence by selecting them didn’t help.

And trying to turn a very promising spin bowler into a bowler of one-day darts did Danny no good at all.

So probably a bit of both then.

I wonder also whether, as is often said about our footballers, youngsters raised overseas grow up wanting it more?

Comment by James

You may very well be right. There has been a big shift in the English education system over the years from structure to expression to the point where it might be thought a bit soft in parts. Can’t comment on the players mentioned, but those of the future might have more chance if the pendulum swung back some way.

Comment by stephenfh

I’ve been working in education since 1971 and I still work in it part-time. I have a very simple question to ask in response to those ideas. If the fault lies in the English education system, how is it that many other counties produce top quality players on a regular basis? You might ask the same thing about England’s rugby players. Josh McCoy is only just 19. He was the first recipient of the national Tom Maynard scholarship which took him to Millfield School, he has represented England under-19 and yet at 19 we have failed to help him develop. But I wonder how it would feel to be a promising local pace bowler with a county that over less than 18 months signs or re-signs, Topley, Edwards, Best, Abbott, Holland, Hart, Carter, McLaren, Griffiths, Andrew and Salisbury – in addition to Stevenson from Devon and Wheal from SA; that’s 13 pace bowlers, not one from Hampshire or developed by the club …

Comment by pompeypop

Hi there.
Briggs, bates, prittipaul, benham, kenway all had substantial opportunity and a ‘career’ in cricket. Briggs, bates, Benham, have lords medals to their name. I don’t agree that they didn’t develop or that hampshire didn’t develop them. I think they have achieved quite a lot in the game.

It’s sad to lose McCoy and I hope he is successful elsewhere. However to be a first class bowler you have to be very good. All the bowlers you mention are either established international standard bowlers or are accurate and bowl faster than 80mph.
I don’t think it is fair to compare McCoy to these players.

But it is amazing that we have selected 13 in the last two years!!!!!

Comment by Jim

Maybe you could ask them how they felt when the end came’. I don’t think they would agree that they achieved what they hoped to. And if McCoy was never going to be quick enough, why mess about? Why give him a contract? Why did England U19 pick him? Maybe our judgement isn’t very good to start with?

Comment by pompeypop

Incidentally Jim I wasn’t comparing McCoy to bowlers like Edwards or Abbott, I was asking whether he ever had the potential to become as good, or at least a good county bowler – and anyway I’m not sure what you say there applies to the Aussie Holland, Hart, pinched from Durham or ‘has beens’ like Carter, Griffiths and Andrew. And of course I forgot Chris Sole from Scotland who’s another one (number 14). As for Lord’s medals – does that make Stephen Andrew, JJ McLean and Kevin Latouf ‘successful’?

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